So I picked up those big fat ugly crayons .. Omg. The term "Black Irish" has also been applied to the descendants of Irish emigrants who settled in the West Indies. Johnson took him to court and the judge ruled that Anthony Johnson did not have to release this man. Black Irish tend to be from the West Coast and North West Ireland which is where the trading went on. Ive called for sources supporting the article although I am not entirely in disagreement with it, Ive provided a source on Irish indentured *slaves in this discussion that doesnt fit with your narrative of voluntary service. But I digress; apparently what Chloes real point is by this previous statement is that, when/if Whites talk about how a part of their race was oppressed and enslaved at one point in history that it somehow diminishes and lessens the Blacks slave history and only serves to to make Whites feel better about them-selves. Musician and YouTube personality Charlie McDonnell is one of the most well-known McDonnells. It could easily be claimed by any of those writers who like to push their political agendas by denying facts in evidence and making up effects and results that sound plausible, but simply did not happen, or do not have the meanings that those writers freely attach to them. He had several indentured servants. One of the most famous Nolans is film director Christopher Nolan. If it wasnt profitable, they wouldnt have done it. The Normans originated in France, where black-haired people are not uncommon. Not just the Irish. http://glc.yale.edu/master-samuel-symonds-against-irish-slaves, https://www.ewtn.com/library/HUMANITY/SLAVES.TXT, http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076. This is incorrect information. Did the heathen of the earth not only enslave the physical Israelites, (those being blacks and Native Americans), I could be totally wrong on this but its what Ive read when I did my research. I added the Facebook icon to my blog so you can share the link. Maine had the highest population of Blake families in 1840. The Counter-Revolution of 1776: slave resistance and the origins of the United States of America. And yes, it is as long as its title.Im still trying to wade through it. we were brought up to fight oppression we refused to fight the mexicans when sent there by americans. Politicians and ad writers do it daily. (no scotch-irish has no irish blood in them at all,they are descendants of Scotland and England whom were given land in Northern Ireland by the English crown..they kicked out and burnt down real irish villages to establish their land in the north with the backing, again of the crown!!!!! the ira was formed so we could have more rights. Ryan Fitzpatrick, NFL quarterback, was named the fifth smartest athlete in sports by Sporting News in 2010. If you notice, there is nothing said at all about color in the constitution concerning slaves. Chattel slavery was perpetual, a slave was only free once they they were no longer alive; it was hereditary, the children of slaves were the property of their owner; the status of chattel slave was designated by race, there was no escaping your bloodline; a chattel slave was treated like livestock, you could kill your slaves while applying moderate correction and the homicide law would not apply; the execution of insolent slaves was encouraged in these slavocracies to deter insurrections and disobedience, and their owners were paid generous compensation for their loss; an indentured servant could appeal to a court of law if they were mistreated, a slave had no recourse for justice. I reject this and say that the skin color labels are themselves, at best, a statement of a bigot. Not from being bread with Irish. But you will find out the truth when JESUS comes back to reign for a thousand years to teach his people the truth, because they have been believing a lie about a rapture theory. My Uncle Lon, born in the U.S. was shot in the head by the KKK in Sudbury Massachusetts back in the twenties. "Can't beat a good Irish pub" - David Beckham celebrates son's birthday in Dublin, UPDATE: Alex Murdaugh sentenced to life in prison for murdering wife and son, WATCH: Irish bishop's funeral held in Los Angeles today, Liam Neeson, Michael D Higgins and Bono among voices featured on "Patrick Kavanagh Almost Everything'", Rita OHare passes a mighty voice for justice is stilled, Brian Donnelly, Irish American visa hero, has died. Subscribe to our mailing list and get interesting stuff and updates to your email inbox. There are good apples and bad apples in every group of people, and people tend to do things based on more local things than racial ideology. Read Deuteronomy Chapter 28 and visit http://www.israelunite.org to learn more. The assembly was led by Strongbow, a Norman lord from Wales. Now White people want to say Okay, no more racism, you keep what you have and Ill keep what I have after tilting the field in their favor for decades. We are Irish from the north of Ireland. A modern Irish variant spelling is Conchir. T. P. McKenna was an Irish actor from County Cavan and is one of the most well-known of this name. According to Irish history, the Maguires held Fermanagh from the 13th to the 17th centuries. Nile of the nine hostages was a bit of a devil. The migrants became 'Gaelicized' and formed septs (a kind of clan) along Gaelic lines. A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was. While the Irish did not have it good they had much better circumstances than slaves. The Normans were invited into Ireland by Dermot McMurrough and were led by the famous Strongbow. The english continued to try to extinguish the Irish through starvation, oppression etc in Ireland. One of the most famous Duffys is rock musician Billy Duffy. It was common in the 1600s for the Irish prefixes O and Mac to be dropped from Irish names. And a minority of slave owners were also black. The Irish were brought over as indentured servants. Sharing in everyday culture and identity, as well as ancestry, human presence on the Emerald Isle dates back some 12,500 years, according to archaeological studies. There are points of contention with this article dont get me wrong, Im debating the who suffered which is not really a secret except it seems in the white-washed Protestant nation that is the United States to which many Blacks seem to be connected with. Please do your own research to find out about white slavery in the Americas. Read Whence the Black Irish of Jamaica by Joseph R Williams. Race was judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Reblogged this on familytreegirldotcom and commented: The Irish were hated because they were catholics. There were black slave owners as well, so to say that you doubt that they were slaves because such and such was an Irish slave owner is crazy. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale. In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company. THE MYTH OF IRISH SLAVERY is A LIE The tale of the Irish slaves is rooted in a false conflation of indentured servitude and chattel slavery. The vast majority of labourers who agreed to this system did so voluntarily, but there were many who were forcibly transplanted from the British Isles to the colonies and sold into indentured service against their will. All this purity has got to go, and the truth come out!!! After which they were given the title of white and used as overseers on plantations. Our ppl fled into west and central Africa (Khem aka Ham) after Jerusalem was destroyed by Rome in 70 CE. many were actually dark skinned black irish. I am not judging anyone here I am just making observations and that is what I have observed. Lets not forget the Red vs White; Yellow vs White; and Brown vs White. So, no, Irish did not get to keep their names, they got to keep their anglicized names, just like African slaves. Although some of the indigenous people eventually earned their way up in status and they imported slaves from the African slave trade, the overwhelming majority of the oppressed was still the South America natives. 9. Although they did suffer as the Africans, they were also afforded certain privileges not afforded to African slaves. It was the Jim Crow laws and the Redlining that did the most damage. Many people tend come to the belief that African Blacks were the only ones in the entire world to fall victim to Slavery. If a slave owner named Washington or Jefferson bred an Irish slave with an enslaved African, why would he give the surname of the Irish slave to the offspring? Disgusting hypocrites and totalitarians, thats what they are. Sometime in the 17th century after the battle of Kinsale in County Cork, in Ireland which took place between 1601 -1602, the English was faced with the huge problem of looking after 30,000 men taken as Prisoners-of War. 10. However, we do know that numerous Norman invaders did settle in Ireland and integrate into Irish society. Last name: Black. But it seems that your fellow Irish forgot both about the atrocities done to them and working side by side with African slaves. We need to move past focusing on just one point in history to see the big picture. [5] It is the masculine version of the name Ciara . Was that part of their original contract? Its not to different to the world we have today. IRA was very active at what time and why are you bringing terrorists into this? The Black men were getting all the women. I understand what youre saying ny brother. Immigrant groups throughout history have generally been treated poorly by the indigenous population (or by those who simply settled first). The Irish landowners where Protestant and therefore considered British. http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/who-were-the-black-irish-92376439-237784721.html. Instead the only thing of Ireland you learn is that Dublin is its capital.. Also Indians are not Asians either. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. Also, there is one difference between White Indentured servants or slaves and Black slaves in a country where Blacks are legally considered property. No, they liked they Irish accents so much that they took on the names out of respect. One of the most famous Thompsons is actress Emma Thompson. Learn more. Where they not forced to build railroads and gassed and burned in ovens? The term "black Irish" refers to persons of Irish descent who are . The mental gymnastics required to equate having Irish last names and black Americans with the Irish having been slaves right along side us is astounding. Still, you probably ask your colleague or friend its meaning, and theyre likely to draw a blank. 14 1 Fiona Hawkins What utter pointless nonsense is this!? What yall ;need to figure out is why this history has been buried and who is gaining from that. Have you heard of people of Irish descent as "Black Irish.". Actress Meg Donnelly and Declan Donnelly, one half of the comedy duo Ant and Dec, are two famous bearers of the name Donnelly. Anglo-Irish) were in Ireland. Although there were Irish Pirates who participated in the slave trade on behalf of France, they did not discriminate and would take Irish or African slaves to sell. English actress, singer, and television personality Claire Sweeney is the most famous person with the surname Sweeney. Top 100 Irish Surnames From Each County In Ireland 9. Brown is another common Irish surname. It is claimed that the Spanish married into Irish society and created a new class of Irish who were immediately recognizable by their dark hair and complexion. They owned the land in Ireland too where Catholic Irish worked on their lands. As with the Vikings, these were viewed as a people of "dark intentions" who ultimately colonized much of the Eastern part of the country and several larger towns. However, it is likely that they never lost their status as dark invaders or black foreigners. My entire family ancestry is from the island of Montserrat. I have always found that a fascinating sociological subject, whether its worthy of study is doubtful. Sad! Like many ancient lands, Ireland has seen the arrival of settlers, explorers, ancient tribes, and clans of all different nationalities over centuries. We shouldnt be in the business of a numbers game when it comes measuring ils with a much smaller indigenous culture (the native Gaelic Catholics) of Ireland with as compared to the West and Sub-Saharan African regions. All Irish were given English translated names and forced to use them. it didnt matter whether you were Irish, English,Welsh, Scottish, Black, White, or any other race or colour, you just needed to be POOR. I dont know why you are so proud because they dont claim you!!! Racism was a mischaracterization of that content. That is the first recorded slave in the colonies. King James II and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. My Great great great grandmother was the daughter of an Irish Slave Owner. Bear in mind black African slaves had the stigma of being likened to animals, mentally backwards and being treated as savage- Which was part of the propaganda system to justify black Africans being enslaved. Jesus was born in the mid east, why do people believe that his hair is blond and straight, and have white skin, even hanging on the walls of black people, along with Martin Luther King, Malcolm x, John Kennedy. I thought it was funny when he came out with this B.S. Therefore, this preposterous on-going debate only goal is to keep the Blacks monopolizing the atrocious history of slavery. English journalist, author, and broadcaster Caitlin Moran is one of the most famous people called Moran. Many Irish were American slaveholders, some had even once been indentured servants at one time and after serving their indentured term went on to own a slave or two or several. Over the centuries, Ireland has seen much change, with invasion by the Anglo-Normans in the 12th century, followed by British colonisation in the 16th/17th century moments which significantly shaped our history. I guess that depends on what you consider Irish? Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. II, 1656-1662. So no, they werent only raped by the master but any children born of these rapes became the property of the plantation owners. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle. Conclusion: With regard to the article. The origin of Irish sounding names in America comes from four places. Second, how does the Civil War, even if it were just about slavery, diminish the atrocities of slavery, war, and maltreatment of the Irish? This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. That has not changed and the enslavement of the poor is as relevant today as it was at any other time in history. as we see them as brothers no matter what skin tone you have. In a generation where so much information is consumed via hearsay or processed by means of social media, oftentimes, we can forget to dig into research like in the old days. Additionally, Ireland had its own religion, law code, alphabet, and even a style of dress. Thanks for sharing. Racism based on the color of your skin post dates the bulk of African slavery, and predates the arrival of most Americans ancestors. And so white planters were secured in their thinking that slaves were disposable because they could easily be created. Brannon is my maiden name and it is an Irish name. Or, Is what happened to the Irish just a mere part of what happens to all, and to any of the different nations of men who are affected by the wicked works of the heathen? Blog where a high school dropout or even a liam hogan can go and change irish slavery to irish indentured servitude on a daily basis lolto those who used him as your source grow up!!!!!! Barbados has an enclave on the island, the descendants of Irish slaves who never integrated with others, they speak with a slight Irish accent but as a race they suffer from alcoholism and diabetes and inbreeding. I was investigating the origin of my very Irish name FRAN MCCARTHY! the first anit miscegenation laws were passed to prevent such mixing. (And, yes, it is a fact that that term, indentured servitude, was mostly just used as a polite term for *slightly* less brutal slavery from which there was actually hope of escape.). Debating its distinctions is appalling and only has in place in academia and never in culture or politics. African Americans where emancipated because they needed it. Only a few took on the last names of their former owners, some took names from the Bible. you go to an irish catholic area and you will see paintings of nelson mandela on the walls and other people we support the oppressed always have. I have been unsuccessful with finding all the data you have, will you please site the sources from your research? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.amp.html, My last name is Doyle since I been on Facebook Ive learned there is alot of people in Jamaica with last name as mine I am in Chicago and its alot of us scattered through the city but it very nice to know we are Doyles all over the world beautiful black people. Wants take a guess on my choice of colors ; Brown, White, Blue, and Black . Some would conquer their enemies to gain power, land, wealth and additional wealth by selling their slaves to slave traders. The Irish and Scots-Irish did indeed own slaves in America and many of their emancipated slaves took their surname. One man and two kids made it. According to reports from the Central Statistics Office, Murphy is the most popular last name in Ireland. thats the label the brits give them. There is a book called White Cargo. As for how, I insist on the qualifier some, of the Blacks got their last names, I think this may just be embellished truth. But you lost me where you said Irish slaves were treated worse than African slaves. But this narrative of Irish victimization is being used by racist whites to oppose social progress The surname Black was first found in Lincolnshire where they held a family seat from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D. Racism is one of many mechanisms designed to keep people divided and oppressed, and it only serves to further the interest of evil people. The division of humans was more to do with social characteristics, rather than physical ones. They could understand the Irish. The native Gaelic ODubhdaleithe Sept of County Cork also sometimes anglicized their name as Dudley, as well as the more usual Dowdall. The Irish language was nearly extinct and was only spoken in very remote parts of the country for a long period of time. With an understanding of the Norman invaders and their integration into Irish society, we can deduce that this is, in fact, where the term Black Irish spawned from. Other aspects of racism and bigotry are far too complicated to touch on here. Dunne From the Irish for brown (donn), the original Irish name Duinn has by now lost the O prefix. http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/irish-slaves-myth-2369653-Oct2015/. There is no logic in that a hybrid race slave would be any more profitable than a hard working African slave, and has no basis in historical fact. The Irish often were poor and condescended by society but they were legal citizens and had a better status than a slave. From a young age, nomadic parents placed a strong emphasis on education in real experience and the outdoors - a trait which has carried through her life and into her career. Not all of them were slave owners, not all were wealthy or priviledged or educated. If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. There is an ancient fable that Wulfricus Niger, otherwise . From its love for traditional art forms, including Irish dancing and trad music, its affinity for a creamy pint of Guinness, or its endless stream of iconic artists, including Oscar Wilde and Bram Stoker, Ireland is a small country with a big personality. N I was really grateful to lean this. They could be biological descendants of an Irish or Scottish family. Famous Kellys include actor and director Gene Kelly, 20th-century artist Ellsworth Kelly, and actress and Princess of Monaco Grace Kelly. As an African American woman with an Irish last name, i knew the Irish were slaves and figured thats how i got my last name. Whether or not this was an actual invasion or rather a more gradual migration and assimilation of their culture by the native Irish is open to conjecture, but there is sufficient evidence to suggest that this latter explanation is more likely.
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